Makes an impression on you. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. As it says on bottle, a little goes a long way.. Generally speaking, ~3.3 grains of Titegroup using a 147 grain bullet is about as vanilla of a competition load as it gets. Posted by David Blankenship on Aug 12th 2022. I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. May 7, 2012 9mm 124 gr FMJ 1.15" COL 4.3 gr Titegroup (a little hot) Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. This is a good consistent and uniform powder, reloads easy and accurate. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. I sold off all except Titegroup. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! with 125 Gr Blue Bullets. It's for practice, not for competition. All loads used Winchester Small Pistol primers. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. A lead bullet is a lead bullet as long as were talking a medium hardness. Shoots well, functions well and it is light enough. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It's accurate and reliable. Like many reloaders I ended up with 6 or 7 different powders for my pistols until I shot 5 rounds from each similar FPS loads from a bench. Then work up from there. Some flake powders have a wider range and they need it because they meter poorly. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. Feb 27, 2020. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. A forum community dedicated to Carolina firearm owners and enthusiasts. I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. Seen a few of those over the years. I am now loading 4.1 grains TG with OAL of 1.135 to 1.140 inches. Otherwise I would go 10% below the start for the closest slug the book had. He is also the past Editor of Blackpowder Guns and Hunting Magazine. So it is interesting that the starting 124gr load did not show a load for 900fps. As with any load data posted on the internet, please start testing low and work your way up. Starting at mid range up to max. JavaScript is disabled. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. Brian spent three years in Spokane as a Zag until his baseball career was cut short by a tragic plane accident that took the lives of his parents and younger sister. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum Ball-Type Handloads. This link will be updated as I continue to develop more loads and test them. No issues there. ABOUT CHAD: Chad is a world champion elk caller and two-time Eastern US Elk Calling Champion. I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Zach, a resident of McCook, Nebraska, started shooting trap and hunting when he was 10. I have some Titegroup I am planning on using in 9mm. TiteGroup is too fast burning to be a good universal powder. Regina Milkovich has been the leading female in precision rifle shooting since she first picked up a rifle in 2009. If I don't like it, I will give it to my buddy After working up a lighter load for my daughter I ended up with 124 grain plated bullet and 4.4 grains of Titegroup. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. From their home in Montana, Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha follows Chad, Marsha and their two boys-Walker and Wyatt-across the world in hunting adventures. The current Lyman manual (49th Edition) does not have load data for anything heavier than 147 grains, but older manuals do. Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. A top quality jacketed bullet is a top quality jacketed bullet. The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. These loads were tested using my Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph Premium Kit. It also burns hot, runs hot in your gun. They are snappy, but fun to shoot. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Every match Ive been to that chronoshas the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. I didn't think 4.5 grains was a max load either, because on the Titegroup container it says that for 115gr Speer GDHP max load is 4.8 gr. Don't ask me why the maximum charge for Titegroup is higher with the 125 gn bullets. By When I used titegroup my load with 147s was 3.0gr and with 124s it was 3.8gr, power factor was always around 130. Display as a link instead, JavaScript is disabled. I always set up my chrono at 10ft from the muzzle. Ryan earned a Bachelors of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Masters of Science in Engineering Technologies. I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Hodgton indicates you can go to 4.1. It is our mission to encourage, organize, and support these efforts throughout Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by jell-dog, Mar 14, 2017. I found anything much lower to be too weak. Thank you for sharing Hodgdon Reloading data. Boris_La . I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. With velocities at 1046 to 1119. Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks Long Range University Lead Instructor. There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. And how are you metering 3.3gr? He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. I have been trying to get a 9mm 124gr RN load to reach 1200fps. When I first learned it was long before Algore had invented the net. Why? is 1.150" with Hornandy bullets. Since opening GA Precision, George has been building some of the finest precision bolt guns and custom rifles. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! If you don't mind my asking, where did your recipe come from? He has also put together the first online Precision Rifle Training series of its kind, gaining viewers from all over the world on the JC Steel Targets website. Titegroup has it all low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. Tested 3.6-4.0 gr titegroup with berry's RN 124, col 1.150. Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. We will pass. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! Reply Quote. Hailing from the Kansas City-area, Jaclyn is a rifle shooter specializing in precision rifle shooting. Nuff said. In Pistols and Revolvers.. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. I think someone posted that very information just yesterday. The gun to be used is a Sig M11-A1 9mm, 4" barrel, standard recoil spring. Hmm, I thought it was 5ft. My goal was to find a load that worked well is all my 9MMs with differing barrel lengths, rifling, etc. JavaScript is disabled. Loading 9mm RN with Titegroup data horsegoalie Apr 24, 2013 H horsegoalie Rating - 100% 6 0 0 Joined Sep 18, 2012 Messages 284 Likes 27 Apr 24, 2013 #1/11 I am starting a load with some Berry's 115gr RN plated bullets and Titegroup. This is a new powder to me and I understand that it is a fast burn powder. Varget and H-4350 are the go to but since Ive been running some IMR Enduron powders that seem to work very good as well. Current Oregon State Police Background Check Queue Status As Countdown To Measure 114 Vote Approaches. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. I try to use a longer than suggested OAL just help with pressures etc. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. So filling up half way looks normal. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. He is also a noted TV personality, regularly appearing on TV programs Shooting USA. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. For 9mm, with Sierra 115 fmj, 4.8gr of Titegroup. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old . Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Just dirty as we ever seen and HOT. This is a capture from the Sierra load data with Titegroup starting at 1000fps. Thanks guys. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. Same load just use the coal from another powders load. Thanks for your patience. Obligatory start low and work your way upSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. 4.2 of titegroup over a 124FMJ is my 9mm load. Hollow points may be shorter so COAL may vary some. Loading is always at your own risk. I use tight group for 9mm. You accidentally load this into a rifle, or a larger pistol cartridge, its super dangerous. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". Zach started attending national shoots in 2018, including Junior Worlds, Junior Olympics Nationals, and USAYESS Nationals. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. During his time, Phillip completed 4 overseas deployments and served in all billets available to a Scout Sniper, to include Scout Sniper Team Leader, Chief Scout Sniper, and Scout Sniper Instructor. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Posted by Donald H Nolen on Sep 26th 2022. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. She helps organize and coordinate Arizonas own national level event, the Tactical Precision Rifle Challenge. . Your previous content has been restored. Need to be careful with plated bullets because not all are created equal. Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The terrain in Southern Idaho often requires a hunter to be able to take shots at 400 yards and well beyond. You need to get teh double disc kit. In cases like this 9mm I would use the start data for the next heavier slug if that was there. In just five years, he has earned an impressive shooting resume with consistent top finishes at national level events. Many of these are 131-135 PF, which are plausible competition loads. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. I like using this gun because I've heard HK tests it at 2x max pressure specs for the 9mm. I got the adjustable charge bar for rifle loads and tried it out with titegroup and it did not work. Sponsored by many of the hunting industries leading manufacturers, he has conducted over a thousand hunting and fishing seminars across the United States and has hunted and fished extensively around the world. Soon I got a lot more comfortable as I did it a lot. I use a Lee turret with the AutoDisk, and I'm finding that one cavity is at or lower than the recommended min charge, and the next cavity up is at or higher than the recommended max charge. The .357 Sig handloads could have been loaded even hotter. If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for aNES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over. You don't want to just use data from a similar bullet. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. I havent had a problem yet. I shot a lot of Sta-Ball 6.5 and it worked well beyond expectations. As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. And by comparison the Lyman 49th shows titegroup at 4.0gr to 4.5gr max for the same Hornady XTP bullet. Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. That's why when I figured out that my previous loads were unsafe I called Berry's to get correct info. I have been using 3.3gr Titegroup under 147fmj at 1.15 coal. Warning! WARNING: If you are a newer reloader, you do not want to start out using this powder. Better to be too careful than blow something up. 2.8 gr. I have the Hornady manual, but nothing about Titegroup in the manual for 9mm. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. My brother gave me some Titegroup. They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. containers. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Keyboards and steering wheels bring out the absolute worst in people. So I looked up the Titegroup load data and The 115 grain 9mm load data for LRN is only .5 grains less than the 230 grain 45ACP LRN. Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. and 8 lb. Believe me, I'm not TRYING to stretch or bend any rules. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. There have been some top 10 ELR finishes as well but I dont remember the specifics. Working and enjoying the outdoors were just a normal part of day to day life. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. Clear editor. I usually use the data for lead bullets when i load plated ones. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 125 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.8 gn - 1100 fps. Velocities taken at ~4-5 feet from barrel. 9mm/38 Caliber 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder By looking4reloadingdeals December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber Share Followers 0 Reply to this topic Start new topic 513 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. Diannas also won the 2015 NRA World Shooting Championship Ladies title. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. My name is Robert Brantley and I have been obsessed with precision rifle since 2007. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. I've had no issues in sever thousand loads, other than having to adjust COAL a few thousandths one way or the other. In fact, Jake has compiled more wins than any other Shooter in the United States at national level Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League events during that span. I plan on using Titegroup since I have it for my 45ACP. The more inexpensive "competition" powder. I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. I wonder why the difference. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. I don`t recall my OAL for either without looking in my load notebook. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Hell they even have chrono`s that mount right on the barrels of rifles these days. I want to be safe. As an fyi, stay away from the 147gr berrys with titegroup. I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. With my setup using the .32 orifice I get 3.5-3.6gr, .34 orifice 3.6-3.8gr and with the .37 orifice 4.1-4.2gr is dispensed. December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber. Because it's a fast powder well suited to moderate-to-light recoil/PF loads, and because it is. Titegroup I use 4 gr @ 1.130". ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Maybe Ill do another test with the chrono 10ft away and see if I get any difference in results, thanks. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? This made me wonder if it is a velocity issue, or a powder charge below 3.7gr issue since all these loads are for the same bullets. Powered by Invision Community. and 8 lb. YMMV. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. Lee made a micro charge disc that may help with small loads. (3.2-3.6g from the Hodgdon website). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Today, it is a popular military and law enforcement handgun cartridge. The game hooked me, but I fell in love with the people! Since returning to competition on 2009, Dianna has earned a plethora of High Lady wins, including the 2013 and 2016 USPSA Ladies Open National Championship. JavaScript is disabled. It's for practice, not for competition. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Walker loves waterfowl hunting with his black lab Pow. looking4reloadingdeals Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. He was trained as an armorer in the US Army, where he spent six years as a Military Police Investigator. Didn't see any Tightgroup on this chart but plenty others. Probably saved me some money. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. This section shows you A LOT of information about 9 MM powders and how they compete against each other using the same brass, same bullet, same OAL, same primer, same gun, same day, same conditions..the only thing that is different is the powder. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. You say that now. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. RCBS 9mm-125-RN-GC 123 TiteGroup 4.4 1045 129 . Todd is a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. The Wester #1 and Sierra #7 Manuals have 9mm +P data. First for 9mm and now for 45ACP. In addition to shooting, Zach plays plays baseball, basketball, football, and track & field. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. My M&P and G34 love the 115 and 124s, but the 147s won't group for crap in either gun with any load and I took it up to 3.9 which is pretty hot. Test gun is a HK P30L, which has about a 4.75" barrel. BrianEnos.com Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. tysdad115 Rating - 100% 15 0 0 Joined Sorry for posting so many times in a row but I just got some new information. I could manually measure amounts in the middle of the range, but I'd rather use the AutoDisk, which has cavities with volumes corresponding to the edges of the recommended range. I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. She has a passion to introduce the shooting sports and showcase gun owners and the 2nd Amendment in a positive light. Soon, Zach was shooting skeet and fell in love with the sport. My guess is 900 FPS jacketed load is getting close to not being able to guarantee the bullet always leaving the barrel, where a 1000 FPS load is more certain. You can find Ryan on Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel, and Realtree.com. Hodgdon on line data is a good place to look. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, training, shows, accessories, classifieds, and more! A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp, https://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-perfect-powder-measure-90058.html, Firearms News and Firearms related political news. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! Gaige Grosskreutz -- The Felon Shot By Kyle Rittenhouse. He volunteers as an alter sever at Mass on Sunday at church and is a member in the Civilian Airpatrol Program. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. She has competed on the TV series, 3 Gun Nation as well as an upcoming show called The Big Gun on Sportsman Channel, airing in Q1 2016. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. Residing in Cheney Washington, Jake Vibbert owns JC Steel targets Inc. and is a strong competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and the National Rifle League. I have spent a lot of time perusing through the 9mm Reloading section and it seems that most folks who are using 124gr FMJ & JHP bullets with Titegroup are loading their cases with 4.0gr to 4.2gr of powder. You can post now and register later. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. I've been shooting 4.0 grains of Titegroup with Berry's 124gr. Can't keep enough at the house. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Its easy to double charge your rounds, as you will barely notice. For a newb, you are treading on very thin ice & IMO, haven't enough exp to determine if your load is "fine". I would like a lighter load for practicenothing too hot. containers. So you are saying you found data specificly for Berry's plated & TG? Both are off according to the newer data I am not afraid to pull them apart and use data that I can easily find and a powder that has more bullets listed for it. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. On 1/7/2020 at 8:30 PM, looking4reloadingdeals said. was 1146fps. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Baseball won over for a time when it took him to Gonzaga University on scholarship as a pitcher for the Bulldogs. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=9%20mm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/dm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=566352. I'm thinken a 124 cast over 4.0 of titegroup has anyone tried that. Todd is also a sought-after firearms instructor for military, law enforcement, and competitive shooters around the world. Most manuals stop at 147 grains, though Hodgdon and Vihtavuori have data for 150 grain bullets. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! Unique - 5.7 gn - 1250 fps. containers. I`m using 3.8 gr for the plated, and 4.2 gr for the JHP. Some of these loads are over manufacturer recommended maximums, DO NOT COPY or try! They are calibrated at/for specified distances. Im liking the W231 better as of late in the 9mm tho. Walkalong, that was my guess also, but there are other fast powders listed with 900fps and 950fps loads. As a rule though, i try to keep it at the distance specified by the chrono brands i`m using. You are using an out of date browser. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages.